After you get the app done, can a non techie manage it? Like if it’s a task app, can the non tech guy hand over tasks to consumers? Can he send catchy push notifications through it?Through the admin panel that the tech guy has made? Obviously for bugs and new ideas that i conceive in the future, it’ll needs an external developer to add to it, I know that. Please do explain a bit without condescending:)

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    10 months ago

    Yeah, you can have anything you want made accessible by a non tech person. I run a dev/design agency and we do it all the time.

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      10 months ago

      was just worried about the tasks being updated, and some logo change during festival season, and the creative push notifications, Can all these be done by the admin panel?

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    10 months ago

    You can have them build it how you want it. A mobile app with an admin panel website it’s just how much budget you have. However, the main thing is you will have to update your app at least every 1-2 years. Google and Apple will make you update your app to be compatible with the new phones as they come out. Two years is probably the absolute max I would give. To do those updates a developer would be needed

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      10 months ago

      Yearly updates are fine…I was just worried about the tasks being updated, and some logo change during festival season, and the creative push notifications

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    10 months ago

    You would need to communicate that to the developers so that they can build “management” tools for you to use, it would usually cost more.

    Unless you’ve set that expectation, they probably won’t build it in a way that you can manage it.

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    10 months ago

    Do you know why IT professional is highly paid? Because for daily business operation they can’t be replaced. You’ll need someone to troubleshoot, compatibility/security upgrade and monitor the server (if any). Didn’t mention the development side yet

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    10 months ago

    non techies can handle basic app management but future development will demand technical assistance.

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    10 months ago

    You need at least some server admin knowledge, even if it’s a contained app. So I would start with that.

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    10 months ago

    Think of it this way:

    Once I have a house built, can I handle all the upkeep if I’m not handy?

    Same type of answer.

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      10 months ago

      Basically it’s the same question I asked, and alas without an answer :)

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    10 months ago

    First, you can work this out with your developer so I don’t know why you’re asking internet strangers.

    Second, yes, you can set up nearly any app to be administered or managed by a non-techie.

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    10 months ago

    My boss at my day job is not a developer. He absolutely crushes sales and managing a team of developers who are passionate about working for him. It’s 100% possible to be a CEO, a salesperson, or whatever role without being a programmer. They just need to consult and trust their developers.

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    10 months ago

    If you are a non techie and want to build a business around it you definitely need ongoing hands on people for incremental development and support. You can get some fractional allocation to start with. Let me know if you need help.

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    10 months ago

    I’m a digital product manager and have worked with lots of non-technical TV people on games/apps/websites. I totally get where you’re coming from. Having an idea and what you want it to do is one thing; knowing what to ask for and all the “extra” bits that you wouldn’t ever think of is a completely different thing.

    All the below may sound scary. You have to do it on your own - you can work with the developers/agency (if they’re good) to specify it together. But that may well not be possible if you’ve hired a developer to just implement what you ask for.

    Really good developers and many agencies can help with this stuff but far too many don’t. They do exactly what you’ve asked for, not much else, and make a lot of assumptions. That’s not a criticism of them - that’s also often not their skillset, in the same way thinking about server or build processes isn’t yours!

    So, I’d suggest you think of your app as 2 linked apps, or two parts of the same software:
    - one is what users see and use, the user-interface “front-end”
    - the other is “back office” admin tool whoever is running the app (you)
    - and completely separate to that is the tools, software and various admin things that developers use to turn code into an actual website or mobile app (including the back office bit) that people can see.

    1. Have you asked for an admin app? If devs are just mentioning “admin panel” it that could mean anything from the iTunes/Google app submission site, to a database admin tool or a code-processing tool that turns the code they write into the actual app file. You don’t want to get into the second two of those if you’re not experienced.

    2. If you have asked for an admin app what have you asked for? You need to be specific about how easy you want it to be, how you access it etc. In theory a admin app could be a text file that you edit and the software sucks that in and changes accordingly. This could well work as a cheap “hack” for a logo change for example.

    3. What have you asked for the admin app to do? You (or somebody) needs to be really specific.

    Example - the developers may assume the logo is never going to change so they may “hard code” the logo in. This means only a developer can update it and it may need a whole new release of the app. But if you specify that you need to be able to swap the logo yourself via a non-technical back-end option then they can build that in. The same with text. If you give developers some copy that goes in the app they could just paste that text into the code. Or they could make the app look that text up from a content management system meaning you can update it.

    Another example - if you want to be able to log in and send push notifications that you type in, you need to (a) specify that the app can send push notifications, (b) specify that you want to be able to type them in manually, or maybe you want to manage it from a 3rd party CRM system etc). If you haven’t specified it you won’t get what you want (if you get it at all).

    All these extra things take additional development and testing so cost more so it’s important to think about which ones you really need to be easily updated yourself vs getting a developer in to do.

    I realise that was a lot and you may not understand it all. Happy to answer more questions and clarify etc.

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      10 months ago

      I never had these questions, I just thought admin panel naturally solved everything, thank you for the indepth thought